Surrender is a Winning Strategy

Obama’s Surrender of Afghanistan Continues Apace?

So let’s get this straight: we agree to release key Taliban leaders from Gitmo, and the Taliban “reciprocates” not by releasing the one American they hold hostage, but by agreeing to “open a political office…in Qatar?” Wow, what a sacrifice! So basically, what is happening here is that Barack Obama is begging the Taliban to do business with him.

Murdoc’s got some strong issues with what our goals in Afghanistan are, how we’re going to accomplish them, and what a “victory” there would look like. But that doesn’t mean he favors surrender.


  1. Buoying to monarchs, embracing dictators, and supporting wannabe dictators was not enough. He felt he needed that last thing for his resume to show he had changed American foreign policy for real. What better way than to kowtow to terrorists and thugs.

  2. Saddam Hussain stated during the iraq invasion that:

    If the United States defeats the Iraqi army (they did) and America occupied Iraq (they did) then the streets would run red with blood for decades (it is)!

    Guess ole Saddam knew more than the American intelligence community.

  3. Murdoc’s got some strong issues with what our goals in Afghanistan are, how we’re going to accomplish them, and what a “victory” there would look like. But that doesn’t mean he favors surrender.

    Would you be more inclined now to have supported punitive raids and targeted killings 10 years ago versus invading, occupying and nation building?

    1. That is pretty much what I supported back then. I was in favor over overthrow of the Taliban, but not in favor of a long protracted occupation and counter-insurgency.

      Except for the fact that ObL had evaded capture or death, I thought we were pretty much done in Afghanistan by December 2001.

      That doesn’t mean that I don’t think there’s value in fighting the terrorists/insurgents/enemies, because there is. And I’m not opposed to helping set up a new Afghan government in principle, but I’ve never understood how “total victory” in Afghanistan looked all that different than hitting them for three months and then leaving.

      1. I hope the fiasco of nation building is now fresh in our minds as our sites are set on Iran. I am hearing a lot of talk about attacking Iran, but I sure as hell don’t want us to invade, occupy, install gay rights and other nation building activities.

        People warned Bush and company about the folly of nation building and Bush even ran against nation building in 2000. But the neocons didn’t listen. Now if they get us into a war with Iran, for our sake we better know upfront what’s on the table, and I hope we are not stupid enough to try to do in Iran what we have failed in Iraq/Afghanistan.

        1. I should be clear that I don’t necessarily think that “nation building” is inherently bad.

          Nation building in Somalia, Haiti, and Afghanistan is bad. There is too little to be gained by success and success is far too difficult and expensive. I would like to think differently about Haiti, but a century of history tells me that it’s a no-win situation. I have no illusions that there is anything to be gained by any sort of “modernization” or “westernization” of any sort in Somalia or Afghanistan. I don’t even think that we should make an effort to build a “friendly” government, though I would support “friendly” elements and be willing to help a “friendly” government if it were to gain traction.

          I don’t see the effort in Iraq as nearly so bad. I wish things had been done differently, but the overall goal was a mostly good one and I think that the effort was mostly worth it. Obviously we’ll have to withhold judgement for quite a while before we have a better idea about the end results.

          Iran would probably be similar in some ways to Iraq. More achievable than, say, stable friendly government in Afghanistan. But harder than Iraq. I’ve never been a supporter of nation building there, though I probably could be convinced that at least some effort might be worth it depending on how things end up going down.

  4. Slightly different take on this.
    “Begging the Taliban to do business with him”
    My thoughts are: It’s more the first round in paying off those Members of Taliban that can be bought. The Office is just a place for Us to get together and ask “What Do You Want” This is the way things have worked in that part of the World since before there was a World.

    1. If I really believed that this was what we were doing, I’d support it. I have no issue with buying off elements to our side. That is how we got our quick military win there in the first place, and I think we should have done far more of it.

      I’d spend twice as much to buy victory if it meant we’d stop trying to win by fighting. I thought for some time that we were fighting to buy time to let the buy off work. But the buy off doesn’t seem to be working and the fighting just keeps dragging on. There is no useful Afghan military on the horizon to pick up the slack, either.

      To be honest, I don’t know what I’d do in Afghanistan if I was king for a day. While everyone was screaming “quagmire!” in Iraq 2004-2007, Afghanistan had been a quagmire-in-the-making since 2002 with no end in sight.

      1. The best action is to destroy the Opium fields through plant pestilence of some kind. The production of opium creates an independence of Kabul influence. It offers an alternative to many in Afghanistan where all roads do not lead to Kabul. With the money from Poppy production drying up people would have little alternative but to go to Kabul with hat in hand. As always IMO

  5. Have no fear. He’ll veer agressive again around June-August, once he has the nomination wrapped up.

    Then when he’s up against a Republican, it will be gung ho all over again.

  6. Not if his recently announced plan to cut the balls off the military he won’t jaymaster.

    Unless, of course, he plans to nuke ’em and use Cat-9’s with drivers in full decontamination suits to plow the ruins under the crap soil.

    Geez, that’s a great idea. I think I’ll call General Curtis LeMay and Barry Goldwater right now.

    Whata mean they died 40+ years ago?

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