More rants on the 5.56 debate

Poodleshooter round needs to go

Heads Bunker usually lays it all out on the line for you. This time is not an exception, so I think you can tell just from the title what he thinks about this issue. He notes the use of the M14, and he notes that the problem with the M16/M4 isn’t the weapon itself but the pea it’s sending downrange. As I’ve noted many many times before, if the problem was the short barrels of the M4 so many of our troops have, they would be using M16s instead of M14s for sharpshooter work in Afghanistan and Iraq. Follow the link for details.

I came across it via James at Hell in a Handbasket, who shares his own thoughts on the subject. James also mentions the fact that the 5.56 might be just fine for SAW work, something he’s brought up before. He’s got a link to his earlier post on this in his latest, so check it out.

Friends don’t let friends shoot .223.

Comments

  1. 5.56 isn’t the problem. M855 is the issue. It’s optimized for penetration, armor defeating properties and range, not lethality. 77 and 77 grain 5.56 loads are some of the deadliest antipersonnel cartridges ever invented, causing extensive soft tissue damage out of the 20′ M16 as far out as 200 yards; accuracy maintained out to 500 yards The other issue is the M4. Carbines should never be used as frontline weapons

  2. The problem is the 5.56. AC is worried about making a big wound; I am worried about being able to make any wound at all. Sooner or later we will have to fight an enemy with enough wealth and discipline to wear good body armor. 5.56 of any flavor will have problems penetrating at distance through good armor. It will be especially bad if we are using carbines with 12.5 inch barrels. The only good news is that our armor will be at least as good. We will plink away at bad guys at 200+ yards with no effect with center mass hits. So, we’ll aim for the head, except (whoops) we just bought short barreled carbines that aren’t accurate enough for consistent head shots (not an easy thing on a battle field with any rifle). Then the M-14’s will be dusted off and RFP’s for heavier caliber rifles will be flying. And finally the 5.56 will be dead. Until then, I’m looking forward to getting my new pea-shooter.

  3. The problem is the 5.56. AC is worried about making a big wound; I am worried about being able to make any wound at all. Sooner or later we will have to fight an enemy with enough wealth and discipline to wear good body armor. 5.56 of any flavor will have problems penetrating at distance through good armor. It will be especially bad if we are using carbines with 12.5 inch barrels. The only good news is that our armor will be at least as good. We will plink away at bad guys at 200+ yards with no effect with center mass hits. So, we’ll aim for the head, except (whoops) we just bought short barreled carbines that aren’t accurate enough for consistent head shots (not an easy thing on a battle field with any rifle). Then the M-14’s will be dusted off and RFP’s for heavier caliber rifles will be flying. And finally the 5.56 will be dead. Until then, I’m looking forward to getting my new pea-shooter.

  4. Sorry about the double comments. Thought my browser was messed up when they did not post for a day.

  5. S’okay, Bram. I can’t seem to turn off comment moderation. I turned it off, then was sick for a while and didn’t check the site. When I came back all these comments were piling up waiting for approval. I can’t figure out what’s wrong. Still not fixed.