MORE: Boot Murtha Poster

Posted again due to unpopular demand:

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Yesterday I posted this pretty humorous poster and linked to BootMurtha.com. Predictably, this ignited some outrage from various commenters.

What I find interesting about the outrage is that no one has even mentioned Murtha’s words. You know. The ones big and bold at the top of the poster. I commented myself:

Stop acting all offended and stuff and take a moment to explain how it is that Murtha’s loud public condemnation of Marines for committing premeditated murder before any such determination has been made are at all defensible.

Spout on and on and on somewhere else about Kerry this and Kerry that and how Murtha was once a hero and blah blah blah.

Please explain your position on ignoring “innocent until proven guilty” and supporting political grandstanding at the expense of troops unconvicted (uncharged, even, so far) for anything.

Shut up about everything except the topic at hand: Tell Murdoc why he’s wrong to criticize Murtha’s actions.

Certainly, the poster is provocative. It’s obviously meant to be. And I don’t mind inflammatory comments as long as they’re on-topic.

So: Why is it that critics of Murtha bashers don’t want to talk about what it is that Murtha said? Why is it that critics of Murtha bashers have nothing to say about the public conviction of troops who haven’t even been charged as of this writing? Why is it that critics of Murtha bashers (and Kerry bashers, it seems) are always so keen to change the subject?

Come on, critics…don’t prove me right by straying off topic and ignoring my position, which is that Murtha was dead wrong to say what he said when he said it how he said it.

Comments

  1. As far as I can tell, he seems to be attempting to make political capital out of accusations like these. If some American is accused of wrongdoing, he’s right on top of the situation, spinning it to his advantage. I have no great love for politicians but that’s really scraping the bottom of the barrel if you ask me. Even if some of these accusations are true, perhaps especially if they are, it’s wrong to take advantage of it for personal gain. Besides which he’s only increasing the idiocy that is attempting to make ‘guilty until proven innocent’ the default starting point for all moral outrage. Sheesh.

  2. Please explain your position on ignoring ‘innocent until proven guilty’ No one else in America gets this privalige, why should they. Murtha made a accusation, I am not gonna vilify him for that, as for political capital what does he need that for. I don’t think he aspires to run for president and he has no trouble wining his district in PA. Another case of ‘hate this demorcrat’ because they say this or belive that. What does Kerry have to do with it anyway? It’s just propaganda poster to whip up the right, nothing more.

  3. ‘Please explain your position on ignoring ‘innocent until proven guilty’ No one else in America gets this privalige, why should they. Wow. That’s quite something. Oh, well. At least it’s clear what you stand for.

  4. And since you apparently don’t give it rip about the law, justice, or logic, I guess I can understand why you’re confused about what Kerry’s words have to do with a politician grandstanding by slandering fellow troops.

  5. Where’s Aaron when we need him? Murdoc, you are wrong to point this out because you are using facts to bludgeon the truth. Your petty insistence on the insignificant details of what Murtha said, as opposed to the larger truth that he represents obscures, and for the mentally damaged among your readership, is tantamount to black propaganda. An obsession with fact and logic shows to all right thinking people that you have an anti-life, fascist viewpoint, and really you should strongly consider therapy to rid yourself of these mental disorders. Murtha’s just trying to save the planet. Like Kerry was before he was subverted by the DLC and had the election stolen by Ken Blackwell. Just go on supporting the baby killers and tonguekissing the military industrial complex.

  6. Wow, all the wackos have come out on this one…I think. Buckethead: That better be sarcasm… It’s not a case of hate this Democrap or hate this Republicanofshyte, it’s more like someone’s ignoring the fundamental idea of innocent until proven guilty. If people on the left are already pinning Bush on the NSA spy program and bank fund monitoring, they really don’t want to admit that they’re still using dirty tricks of their own as well.

  7. All negative all the time, for one thing it’s the constant media drumbeat of FUD – fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Every good coach knows a team wins with a positive attitude overcoming great obstacles, and that’s a requirement for winning — so the campaign to diminish that and reduce expectations is a big part of making sure we lose. They don’t have a plan or strategy for winning (or anything else), it’s not in their vocabulary and would screw-up their whole worldview because it’s not a collectivist ‘win-win’ or a playground consensus. They can much more easily take credit and twist the logic of turning, running, and losing, again – it’s the Left’s standard Vietnam-playbook. Even if or when the allegations are finally proved false they will have trumpeted the associations long and loudly enough that they will be accepted as true by many, Europeans for instance – Kerry’s other constituency, the ones who believe the CIA piloted the second plane.

  8. I may not agree with Murtha and Kerry-But at least they served their country. What about you Murdoc.

  9. Served their country’ meaning served in the armed forces? No I haven’t served in the armed forces and I’ve been very clear about that all along. Calling fellow troops murderers without proof in a time of war is a curious way to serve your country, though. Meanwhile, don’t prove me right by straying off topic…

  10. I may not agree with Murtha and Kerry-But at least they served their country. What about you Murdoc.’ Nice. So did Tim McVeigh. So what’s your point? All this crap about having to serve to comment is absurd. Anybody with any common sense can see Murdoc’s point with this, innocent until proven guilty is a founding principal of this country. Some people seem to want to gloss over this fact for personal or political gain.

  11. Being innocent until proven guilty is only for liberals and those who serve their agenda. You just don’t get it, do you? And don’t go dissin’ Benedict Arnold too. After all, he served his country – better than Kerry or Murtha. How dare you say anything against poor Benedict. After all, if people in those days realized that his first ammendment right trumphed all of their rights or the rest of the Constitution, they would have never said anything against him.

  12. Hey Ragu: I served and I patronize Murdoc’s site and I agree with Murdoc about what the poster’s message is. Did you serve Ragu?

  13. I have a job. I make money and buy crap. So I’m serving my country by doing my part. Some people chose to be soldiers. Some people chose to not too. But there is no monopoly on ‘serving your country’. We all do it in one way or another. You don’t need to be in a uniform and carrying a rifle all the time. MURDOC! Just make a soundbite. And play it over the website if possible. That way people can hear the filth as well as read it. There is no black propoganda. The only propoganda is coming from the Left.

  14. I just am speechless. What do you want, Murdoc, you want Murtha to say ‘alleged’ rapist and murder PFC Green? Are we on Court TV here? Are you going to defend OJ Simpson next? A soldier from the guy’s unit turned him and his buddies in. Maybe you don’t like Murtha’s tactics, but he’s pushing the administration because they aren’t lined up for a military success in Iraq. When the Shi’ites go on a hunting spree in downtown Baghdad and there’s no intervention by US or Iraqi security forces, wow, maybe there is something behind the idea that there aren’t enough forces in Iraq to keep the peace. But then again, military commanders have allegedly told Bush that they have enough. Except when they have to clean out cities again and don’t have enough advisors for the Iraqi military units. And BTW the tie-in with Kerry’s 1973 photo is just inflammatory crap. Why the right has this fascination with tearing down military veterans on the Dem side (a la the ‘purple heart’ bandaids) is beyond me.

  15. I just am speechless. What do you want, Murdoc, you want Murtha to say ‘alleged’ rapist and murder PFC Green? Are we on Court TV here? Are you going to defend OJ Simpson next? A soldier from the guy’s unit turned him and his buddies in. Maybe you don’t like Murtha’s tactics, but he’s pushing the administration because it isn’t lined up for a military success in Iraq. When the Shi’ites go on a hunting spree in downtown Baghdad and there’s no intervention by US or Iraqi security forces, wow, maybe there is something behind the idea that there aren’t enough forces in Iraq to keep the peace. But then again, military commanders have allegedly told Bush that they have enough. Except when they have to clean out cities again and don’t have enough advisors for the Iraqi military units. And BTW the tie-in with Kerry’s 1973 photo is just inflammatory crap. Why the right has this fascination with tearing down military veterans on the Dem side (a la the ‘purple heart’ bandaids) is beyond me.

  16. Murtha wasn’t talking about PFC Green. He was talking about Haditha. Get it right before getting all speechless. The problem with Murtha isn’t that he’s ‘he’s pushing the administration’, it’s that he’s ‘he’s pushing the administration’ by publicly condemning Marines for committing premeditated murder long before the facts are out. The basic defense of my ‘guilty until proven innocent’ charge against Murtha so far has basically been ‘SO WHAT?’. Meanwhile, don’t prove me right by straying off topic…