More on that 22%

Free Frank Warner links to my post on the astonishing poll which indicates that 22% of Americans personally don’t want the new policy in Iraq to succeed.

He says this:

I don’t look at such attitudes for patriotism or lack of patriotism. I look at them for who supports the cause of democracy and freedom (and who doesn’t), and who understands the stakes in the struggle against tyranny (and who doesn’t)…

Obviously, 22 percent of Americans don’t care whether other nations are free. In the land of the free, they’re too ignorant or selfish or racist to understand that freedom is every human’s right, and repression anywhere is a threat to people everywhere.

This is, actually, a point that I overlooked while rantnig about the “anti-patriotics”. I think it’s hypocrisy, pure and simple. Though I don’t think it’s necessarily “anti-American”, I do think it’s “anti-American values”.

It’s basically saying “I’m using my freedom as an American to hope our efforts to bring freedom to Iraqis fail.” As is almost always the case with the unpatriotic demographic, it’s pathetic.

Frank, being a classic liberal (not today’s Liberal), watches and comments from the perspective of “freedom”. Worth checking out.


  1. I don’t give a damn about the Iraqis or their freedom. As far as I’m concerned once the first US soldier pays in blood, we’re there to win. PERIOD.

  2. Frank is the best kind of liberal there is; a guy who wants to liberate. We usually disagree on small things, but when it comes to the people of the world, we agree. Freedom is a right that needs to be shared by everyone. I do give a damn about freedom for Iraqis, but Dfens is right. ‘…once the first US soldier pays in blood, we’re there to win. PERIOD.’

  3. Yeah, I should clarify that, while I agree with what Frank says here, the reason that I didn’t think of it earlier is because it isn’t as important. Not ‘unimportant’ by any means, but we’ve got troops in the field and it should be about them getting the job done and getting home when they’re finished. Winning our wars should be priority #1. It just amazes me that some people don’t think so.

  4. ‘Men, this stuff that some sources sling around about America wanting out of this war, not wanting to fight, is a crock of bulls–t. Americans love to fight, traditionally. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. You are here today for three reasons. First, because you are here to defend your homes and your loved ones. Second, you are here for your own self respect, because you would not want to be anywhere else. Third, you are here because you are real men and all real men like to fight. When you, here, everyone of you, were kids, you all admired the champion marble player, the fastest runner, the toughest boxer, the big league ball players, and the All-American football players. Americans love a winner. Americans will not tolerate a loser. Americans despise cowards. Americans play to win all of the time. I wouldn’t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. That’s why Americans have never lost nor will ever lose a war; for the very idea of losing is hateful to an American.’ – Gen. George Patton