America’s weak point clearly identified

House votes to pull troops out after Iraq report

Message to America’s enemies: Don’t fear the M1 tanks, nuclear-powered aircraft carriers, and F-22 Raptor fighters of the US armed forces. Billions of dollars of military hardware run by America’s finest citizens can be defeated by overcoming a few two-bit politicians. If you need a method of delivering your knock-out punch, the media will serve for free.

Quick!

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Which of these is the target most easily defeated?

Yesterday I noted that we cannot win without the will to win, and that we seem to have lost that will already in the very early going. We seem to prefer defeat. We apparently don’t have what it takes to compete in a Long Global Test of Wills.

Unsurprising yet shocking

Three points about this unsurprising yet shocking vote in the House of Representatives:

  1. The report from the military on progress isn’t due for 65 days. I guess since Harry Reid (Surrendacrat Senator from NV) said he will ignore any positive news the military reports, it doesn’t really matter if the House got a jump on things.
  2. That would be the same Surrendacrat Reid who refused three times to answer a question about whether the Iraqi people would be safe if the US withdrew too early. When told he hadn’t answered the question, Reid said “This is not a debate. We’re answering questions. (calling on someone else) Yes, young man? Anyone else have a question?” At least if he pretended that he thought the Iraqis would be okay, he’d look like he was trying something worth trying. But it appears that he knows what the result will be and he’s going to try it anyway. The House is game.
  3. Despite all these breathless news headlines about GOP Congressmen jumping off of Bush’s sinking Iraq ship, more Democrats (10 out of 229 – 4.3%) voted against the measure than Republicans (4 out 195 – 2.0%) voted for it.

Now seriously. Isn’t anyone just a bit leery about the fact that Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Moqtada al Sadr all demand the same thing?

UPDATE: I realized that I had listed the totals for each party in the House, not the number that actually voted. I adjusted the numbers in the post.

Comments

  1. Bush says if the Iraqi parliament votes in favor of the US leaving we will. Do you agree with this?

  2. ‘Bush says if the Iraqi parliament votes in favor of the US leaving we will. Do you agree with this?’ I do spacey. I suspect, however, it’ll be a long time before the Iraqi parliament does that. Part of the problem with the Liberal’s attitudes in this country is that most Americans have never had to personally deal with any real, protracted hardship. And I don’t mean running out of beer late on a Saturday night is a hardship. My 89-year-old mother is constantly reminding me about her experiences of living through the economic depression of the 1930’s. Eating 1-meal a day, which consisted of beans and bread for an extended period, was good living compared to many of her neighbors. When things got better most folks of that period developed a very fond appreciation for the simple things in life and their responsibility to supporting and defending a democratic government, which would provide a safe, secure environment. I believe that depression was the leading factor in the forging of ‘America’s Greatest Generation’ which went on, with very little protesting, to defeat the axis powers while suffering almost half-a-million KIAs in the process. Basically, many Americans have gone soft morally and have placed their convoluted, naive ethics and personal comfort before their responsibilities to our country’s security. I blame a certain part of this decline in the elimination of conscription (the draft). Two years of military training from 18 to 20, learning responsibility and discipline for ALL (men & women) providing they are physically and psychologically fit would go a long way to eliminating a lot of the Liberal whining, hand-wringing, appeasement, surrender mentality. Right now with the ‘all volunteer’ military fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan America is sacrificing its very best and most responsible youth. And, damn it, that just ain’t fair!

  3. Rome didn’t collapse becuase they were broke or couldn’t field an army. The Roman Empire splintered and collapsed because they got rich and went soft. They lacked the will, not the means, to fight off the barbarian tribes. History repeats itself.

  4. Bush says if the Iraqi parliament votes in favor of the US leaving we will. Do you agree with this? Probably, depending upon the situation at the time. I would agree unless leaving at that time in that way would cause serious harm to the US. I honestly don’t expect Iraqi parliament to vote that way until the Iraqi government has the ability to secure itself and most of the country. To vote that way earlier would be signing their own death warrants. Once they can secure their government and country, we will have reached the point where we have already said we will bring the troops home.

  5. Don’t worry, a few years after Bush is gone, if Iran/China/North Korea/Al Qaeda thinks they want to have another go at us, and do it stupidly, the ‘will’ you speak of should DEFINITELY come back. Did you really expect ‘willpower’ to come from a public who believes they were misled into war with Iraq right now? (Even though the quote ‘the Marines are at war, America’s at the mall’ comes to mind, with the disconnect between civilian and soldier life)

  6. Charley – There was never a question that we were angry, and we would be angry if there is another terrorist attack. Willpower is doing the hard necessary things even after the anger has worn off. We, as a country, have zero willpower.

  7. I am trying to find news of the iraqi parliament vote. I can’t say for sure they voted for us to leave, but I do think they voted for us to set a time table to leave. When I saw bush tell charlie rose that we would leave if they asked us to, I was floored that he said yes. The mission was to go in disarm them of wmd and remove saddam. That has been done. The longer you stay, the more you take the luster off the initial strike. It’s like winning a football game and then agreeing to go into overtime indefinitely until the other guy catches up. I read a quote from the navy man who developed the shock and awe strategy and he said American power and perceived omnipotence have been greatly neutralized or displaced because of this ongoing mess. So if the iraqis ask us to leave, I hope we take them up on it.

  8. The mission was to go in disarm them of WMD and remove saddam.’ Actually, that was only part of the mission. I’ve read some transcripts of G. W. Bush speeches where he talks about how Saddam has oppressed the Iraqi people and that’s why he has to be removed. Well, what good is it to remove him, but let someone else take over the oppression? It’s pointless. Therefore, to FINISH the job of removing Saddam, we must also finish removing those who would take over his position or otherwise terrorise or oppress the people. How could our consciences allow otherwise? Removing a country’s government, by a responsible party, must always involve installing a new and stable government, not just leaving chaos. I re-watched ‘Three Kings’ a few days ago and that movie really drove the point home. It’s set at the end of the Gulf War and shows how many Iraqis are thrilled that the US are there to help them – after G. H. W. Bush encouraged them to rise up after Saddam – and they are waiting for the help to arrive, while being rounded up and slaughtered by Saddam’s apparatus. It makes my blood boil. How could we have abandoned them then and betrayed them? Two do it twice would be unthinkable and beastly.

  9. Yeah, we’ve really done them a favor by ‘freeing’ them. Let’s face it, freedom is something you earn. It is not given to you. Spacey is right. We should have got in and got out. Instead we managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory as is our custom lately. Unfortunately I think the terrorists will be happy to give us more chances to fail – or succeed.

  10. It would not surprise me if you could find a transcript of Bush saying that. He has said a lot and over the years and has created confusion which is probably contributing to the perception of failure today. For example, I seem to remember him preaching against the evils of nation building. But that appears to be his full time job now. He has even left the 10,000 troops in Bosnia 10 years after they were supposed to leave. But getting back to creating the democracy in Iraq, are we prepared to accept they way they vote? When the Palestinians elected Hamas, we reacted by cutting off ties to them. Do we really want Egypt to vote in the Muslim Brotherhood and oust Murbarak? Do we want Hezbollah to occupy a large bloc of the Lebanaese parliament? Just because people can vote doesn’t mean they will vote in ways you want. If Sadr is the top political dog after we leave, do you think his block will follow a pro US, Israel policy or a pro China, Iranian policy? To me if Iraq turns into a pro Iranian, pro Chinese democracy, ON OUR DIME, then that’s a failure.

  11. If Sadr is the top political dog after we leave, do you think his block will follow a pro US, Israel policy or a pro China, Iranian policy?’ IMO it’s not important, as long as they can choose to throw the bums out if they’re unhappy with them. Of course, if Sadr got into power, he’d probably do all he could to avoid that happening, a la Hugo Chavez. But then, that isn’t democracy, is it? So what we need to do is set up institutions that prevent that from happening. Then, they can vote Al Qaeda into power for all I care. At least then someone will be responsible, and we will know what they truly stand for. With Saddam, all we knew was that they had a psychotic thuggish dictator that they couldn’t get rid of if they wanted to.

  12. This is what their elected Prime Minister is saying today, so what’s the problem? Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki shrugged off U.S. doubts of his government’s military and political progress on Saturday, saying Iraqi forces are capable and American troops can leave ‘any time they want.’ One of his top aides, meanwhile, accused the United States of embarrassing the Iraqi government by violating human rights and treating his country like an ‘experiment in a U.S. lab.’ Al-Maliki sought to display confidence at a time when pressure is mounting in Congress for a speedy withdrawal of U.S. forces. On Thursday, the House passed a measure calling for the U.S. to withdraw its troops by spring, hours after the White House reported mixed progress by the Iraqi government toward meeting 18 benchmarks. During a press conference, al-Maliki shrugged off the progress report, saying that difficulty in enacting the reforms was ‘natural’ given Iraq’s turmoil.

  13. This is what their elected Prime Minister is saying today, so what’s the problem? Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki shrugged off U.S. doubts of his government’s military and political progress on Saturday, saying Iraqi forces are capable and American troops can leave ‘any time they want.’ 1 Iraq PM go to war with Damascus. 2 Iraq PM take out Tehran nuclear program.

  14. I am not sure I understand the last comment. Is it intended to mean we can leave Iraq since the PM said so, or that Iraq is supposed to attack Syria and Iran?