Can’t hide while you’re broadcasting your position

New Wars looks at Stealth at Sea.

I don’t care what they do with the hull and superstructure and coatings. As long as DDG-1000s are radiating what modern warships radiate, there is no stealth. Adopt the behavior of nuclear missile submarines and maybe stealth would have a chance.

Or, maybe, decide that you’re going to use existing stealth ship technology in your stealth ships. You know. The ones that hide underneath the surface.


  1. My understanding with the B2 is that they keep the radar off when they actually need stealth and only use it in friendly territory. I’m wondering if the plan is to coordinate it with some stand-off sensor systems, like a laser link to AWACS or a couple of guided missile destroyers deeper in the formation.

  2. There’s also the possibility of sending your radar pulses all across the radio spectrum in order to make it look like random noise.

  3. Exactly right. Mk1 eyeball is not going to confuse an 14,500 ton ship for a whale either. The person who thinks technology has changed so much that it has become either smart or wise to build surface combatants that are as stealthy as a submarine or provide the firepower of an aircraft carrier should be working for the sci-fi channel, not the US Navy.

  4. Do not confuse ‘stealth’ with non-detectability. Low probability of intercept radar sets are exactly that. The concept basically uses frequency jumping and nonpredictable emissions to reduce the data points use to formulate a targeting fix. This works well with a plane because its traveling several hundred miles and hour. A targeting lag of 10 to 20 seconds creates a CEP of miles. For a ship traveling 15-20 knots would generate a CEP of around a hundred feet or so, which is nothing that a good IR final phase targeting can’t handle. Stealth equating to non-detectability on ships is nuts and requires a willing disbelief physics and desire to be fleeced of several billion dollar

  5. One thing the article Murdoc linked to mentions, which I found kind of funny was the idea that a submarine could launch and control UAVs and remain stealthy. If you’re controlling a UAV via an RF link, you’re radiating and announcing your position. That’s not stealth. One of the more interesting aspects of stealth is that it turns the tables on what we have come to think of as ‘high tech’. Vehicles become more autonomous rather than less. Missiles become less useful than guns. Radars become less valuable than eyeballs. Unfortunately, what we’ve really used stealth for is justifying an unjustified explosive growth in development cost and schedule delays. The self serving military industrial complex has used it as yet another scapegoat for their failure to produce effective results.