IT is really not that at all, in fact EVERYONE DIES! well except for the 2 kids that decided to get out while the getting was good.
also Once the Spetz showed up the Wolverines started to get their asses handed to them by pros, the did fairly decent agisnt poorly trained Cuban conscripts, but agisnt the pros…….

Mousa: This is Afghanistan… Alexander the Great try to conquer this country… then Genghis Khan, then the British. Now Russia. But Afghan people fight hard, they never be defeated. Ancient enemy make prayer about these people… you wish to hear?
Rambo: Um-hum.
Mousa: Very good. It says, ‘May God deliver us from the venom of the Cobra, teeth of the tiger, and the vengeance of the Afghan.’ Understand what this means?
Rambo: That you guys don’t take any shit?
Mousa: Yes… something like this.

I remember watching Shoot’Em Up a while back because the name seemed to say it all, and I like some good mindless action once in a while. Then, after billing a movie as being nothing but mindless fun gun fighting and killing, they had a message in the end that it was all caused by some big bad gun company (If I recall correctly, it was something like that anyway). So its OK to show a movie where people kill mindlessly at random, and murder is as easy as just point and click, but if you make a movie where people have to make a moral decision to fight and kill, and lose their friends and their own lives in defense of something greater than themselves, you are a violent gun nut.

But I don’t think those people on the left that seem to be arguing this are that stupid. I think they really do, at least subconsciously understand that it is about gun control and therefor people control. And despite being a fairly cheesy and far-fetched movie, it did demonstrate to a lot of people, especially young boys like myself growing up in the eighties, that sometimes people should be prepared to defend themselves and their loved ones. To a socialized mind, that kind of attitude can’t be allowed. Someone that claims to have their own moral code and the power, and right, to follow it will always be a threat to the ever tightening grip of progressive socialist control.

Flanker: Yeah, it’s like when idiots compare our government to the Nazis…it’s clear that they don’t really know anything about Nazis.

Tim: The haters never seem to notice that people don’t sail boats FROM Florida TO Cuba or jump fences or swim rivers to get OUT of Texas and Arizona INTO Mexico.

Nicholas: You are exactly right. In fact, I’ve got a number of things to say about that exact topic but I think I’ll save it up for a post.

One thing, though. I remember being about 12 or so and arguing with a high school kid that the Rebels in Star Wars were the outlaw criminals and the Empire was the legal government. He told me I was an idiot if I thought Luke Skywalker was the villain and Darth Vader was the hero and just didn’t get it when I told him I wasn’t talking about good and evil but legal and illegal. We argued for at least an hour, and that’s always stayed with me.

I quite like this movie. I’ve watched it a few times. The whole “terrorist = freedom fighter” argument is something I’ve thought about.

In the end, I think it really comes down to a question of whether what you are fighting for is just, to determine whether it’s valid to fight for it. If the USA were ruled by a dictator who frequently liquidated his political opponents, or just people he didn’t like – including sometimes whole towns – had invaded Mexico, etc. etc. and IF the invading forces were just there to restore a proper government then I could see how you could argue the Wolverines were like Iraqi dead-enders/Ba’athists/etc. However I see no hint of such a situation in the movie. In fact it portrays the invaders as the ones who are committing acts of mass punishment, murder, re-education, etc. Thus in my opinion what the Wolverines are doing is perfectly just – they are fighting against oppression.

So in other words it isn’t whether you’re fighting for or again the government or invaders that matters, it’s whether you’re fighting for or against the oppressors or not that matters. Are these people really so stupid that they conflate those things?

That’s absolutely true. It usually only takes one short trip to most any other nation to understand just how well off we Americans are, in every sense of the word.

Heck, my son is just discovering that in his first deployment, and that is over to Germany. :)

Respects,

My ony regret is I can’t magically transport hate America first and always types like him to the socialist paradise of his fantasies for a few years……….just to let him see how much he missed out on.

In the 80’s, my friends and I thought “Red Dawn” was a cool movie about killing commies. I still stop and watch if I come across it while channel surfing. The battle scenes are a little silly to me now – Spetsnaz troops might know how to fire and maneuver against an ambush of unaimed AK fire.

Sometimes caricatures of bad guys are accurate. The first time I laid eyes on a captured Republican Guard officer, I didn’t believe it – he was right of bad-guy central casting. He was wearing a clean, pressed dress uniform with ribbons in the middle of the Kuwaiti desert. Like a dark-skinned SS officer. In fact, he kind of looked like Colonel Ernesto Bella from Red Dawn.