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		<title>By: Murdoc Online &#187; Look at all those four-stackers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murdoc Online &#187; Look at all those four-stackers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 14:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] happened upon this image while searching for a picture of USS Ward [...]</description>
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		<title>By: AW1 Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/6906.html/comment-page-1#comment-340523</link>
		<dc:creator>AW1 Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murdoc,

    Not to worry, you&#039;re in good company. Not many writers actually understand that, as the use of &quot;the&quot; has been so constant that everyone just accepts it and uses it that way. I&#039;ve done it myself without realizing it. The one mistake I often make is using S instead of Z, because I often use the British form instead of the American. I still use honour and colour instead of honor and color. I only notice it when the spellchecker points it out.

    I wasn&#039;t knocking your post, just pointing out to other commenters. It&#039;s the sort of thing that really pisses off my older daughter, like when I correct her for using &quot;can&quot; instead of &quot;may&quot;, etc. 

    respects,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murdoc,</p>
<p>    Not to worry, you&#8217;re in good company. Not many writers actually understand that, as the use of &#8220;the&#8221; has been so constant that everyone just accepts it and uses it that way. I&#8217;ve done it myself without realizing it. The one mistake I often make is using S instead of Z, because I often use the British form instead of the American. I still use honour and colour instead of honor and color. I only notice it when the spellchecker points it out.</p>
<p>    I wasn&#8217;t knocking your post, just pointing out to other commenters. It&#8217;s the sort of thing that really pisses off my older daughter, like when I correct her for using &#8220;can&#8221; instead of &#8220;may&#8221;, etc. </p>
<p>    respects,</p>
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		<title>By: Murdoc</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/6906.html/comment-page-1#comment-340522</link>
		<dc:creator>Murdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 03:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally abide by the &quot;a submarine is a boat not a ship&quot; rule in my writing. I didn&#039;t in this post because I didn&#039;t want to introduce a clumsy explanation in the post for those who might not know or care.

Now, as far as the &quot;it&#039;s not &#039;the&#039; USS Enterprise&quot; rule, I freely admit to breaking that one all the time. I don&#039;t think I learned it until after I had started this site, and for a while I tried to stick to it. But I gave up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally abide by the &#8220;a submarine is a boat not a ship&#8221; rule in my writing. I didn&#8217;t in this post because I didn&#8217;t want to introduce a clumsy explanation in the post for those who might not know or care.</p>
<p>Now, as far as the &#8220;it&#8217;s not &#8216;the&#8217; USS Enterprise&#8221; rule, I freely admit to breaking that one all the time. I don&#8217;t think I learned it until after I had started this site, and for a while I tried to stick to it. But I gave up.</p>
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		<title>By: AW1 Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/6906.html/comment-page-1#comment-340521</link>
		<dc:creator>AW1 Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meant to add the URL for the sub discovery/data.

http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/HURL/midget.html

   Sorry &#039;bout that.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meant to add the URL for the sub discovery/data.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/HURL/midget.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/HURL/midget.html</a></p>
<p>   Sorry &#8217;bout that.  :)</p>
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		<title>By: AW1 Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/6906.html/comment-page-1#comment-340520</link>
		<dc:creator>AW1 Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to add to the discussion, the mini sub sunk by these fellows was recently discovered, and supported their claims about sinking it. There is an obvious penetrating shell strike at the base of the sail on the starboard side, right where the crew said they struck her.

  Also, when writing about US Naval Vessels, one never uses the term &quot;the USS Enterprise&quot;, etc, it is simply &quot;USS Enterprise&quot;, or &quot;Enterprise&quot;. No &quot;the&quot; is needed when speaking or writing about a vessel. The name itself is all that is required. Think of how it would sound if you talked about &quot;The Murdoc&quot; instead of just &quot;Murdoc&quot;, as a simple example. 

   Respects,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to add to the discussion, the mini sub sunk by these fellows was recently discovered, and supported their claims about sinking it. There is an obvious penetrating shell strike at the base of the sail on the starboard side, right where the crew said they struck her.</p>
<p>  Also, when writing about US Naval Vessels, one never uses the term &#8220;the USS Enterprise&#8221;, etc, it is simply &#8220;USS Enterprise&#8221;, or &#8220;Enterprise&#8221;. No &#8220;the&#8221; is needed when speaking or writing about a vessel. The name itself is all that is required. Think of how it would sound if you talked about &#8220;The Murdoc&#8221; instead of just &#8220;Murdoc&#8221;, as a simple example. </p>
<p>   Respects,</p>
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		<title>By: SteveTN</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveTN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s OK, Nicholas...  I had the same initial reaction.  Comes from having a bunch of military in the family, some of them sailors and Marines.

A sub is a boat.  :D  A ship is a ship!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s OK, Nicholas&#8230;  I had the same initial reaction.  Comes from having a bunch of military in the family, some of them sailors and Marines.</p>
<p>A sub is a boat.  :D  A ship is a ship!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. I just know that sailors can be sensitive about the ship/boat distinction. Want to piss off someone who sails on a big ship, keep calling it a boat ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. I just know that sailors can be sensitive about the ship/boat distinction. Want to piss off someone who sails on a big ship, keep calling it a boat ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Murdoc</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/6906.html/comment-page-1#comment-340516</link>
		<dc:creator>Murdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Nicholas&lt;/b&gt;: In terminology, yes. And the midget sub in question was probably even more of a &quot;boat&quot; than a standard sub. But then we get into &quot;the first boat sunk was Japanese but the first ship sunk was American&quot; and so on. Which is pretty pointless.

US subs are &quot;USS,&quot; which means &quot;United States Ship,&quot; even though we call them &quot;boats.&quot;  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Nicholas</b>: In terminology, yes. And the midget sub in question was probably even more of a &#8220;boat&#8221; than a standard sub. But then we get into &#8220;the first boat sunk was Japanese but the first ship sunk was American&#8221; and so on. Which is pretty pointless.</p>
<p>US subs are &#8220;USS,&#8221; which means &#8220;United States Ship,&#8221; even though we call them &#8220;boats.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t a submarine generally considered a &quot;boat&quot;, not a &quot;ship&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t a submarine generally considered a &#8220;boat&#8221;, not a &#8220;ship&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/6906.html/comment-page-1#comment-340514</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 19:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing shooting for a bunch of reservists from St. Paul, MN. Even more amazing when you conisider that later on in the first naval battles around Guadalcanal we had a hard time hitting the broadside of a barn, much less a Jap ship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing shooting for a bunch of reservists from St. Paul, MN. Even more amazing when you conisider that later on in the first naval battles around Guadalcanal we had a hard time hitting the broadside of a barn, much less a Jap ship.</p>
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