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	<title>Comments on: Gasoline Tax to go up 50%?</title>
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		<title>By: Flanker</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/7147.html/comment-page-1#comment-341314</link>
		<dc:creator>Flanker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 07:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey!  My Kawasaki ZX 14 is a flex fuel vehicle!  It burns gas.............. and rubber!  I average 36.8 mpg, and 3500 miles per rear tire.  How&#039;s that for green frugality?  LOL!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey!  My Kawasaki ZX 14 is a flex fuel vehicle!  It burns gas&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. and rubber!  I average 36.8 mpg, and 3500 miles per rear tire.  How&#8217;s that for green frugality?  LOL!</p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/7147.html/comment-page-1#comment-341311</link>
		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 01:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hawk, 

I do have a lead foot.  And I feel guilty a couple times a year.  But I get over it….

That’s also one reason I like the idea of the current tax structure.  Yes, I do more damage to the roads than most people, but I pay more road taxes than most people too.  There aren’t many taxes that work that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawk, </p>
<p>I do have a lead foot.  And I feel guilty a couple times a year.  But I get over it….</p>
<p>That’s also one reason I like the idea of the current tax structure.  Yes, I do more damage to the roads than most people, but I pay more road taxes than most people too.  There aren’t many taxes that work that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/7147.html/comment-page-1#comment-341310</link>
		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaymaster -

Man, you&#039;ve got a lead foot!  My Accord (avg 32 mpg) is at 50k and easily has another 10k left in its first set of tires (the S2000 is another story as it needs new tires at 11k, but that&#039;s track days for you).  As Murdoc pointed out, I only did the federal calculation because that was the point of the story.

And I agree -- no real reason to raise taxes if local and federal governments would be wiser with how they spend their money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaymaster -</p>
<p>Man, you&#8217;ve got a lead foot!  My Accord (avg 32 mpg) is at 50k and easily has another 10k left in its first set of tires (the S2000 is another story as it needs new tires at 11k, but that&#8217;s track days for you).  As Murdoc pointed out, I only did the federal calculation because that was the point of the story.</p>
<p>And I agree &#8212; no real reason to raise taxes if local and federal governments would be wiser with how they spend their money.</p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murdoc, 

Yes, that’s true of the story you linked to. But some states were already looking into this stuff too.  I was talking to folks in PA, CA, and MA almost a year ago.  The automotive people are tinkering with it too.

I’m an electrical engineer with nothing to do with the fuel or transportation industries, but my boss wanted me to look into it for possible long term business potential from the electronics side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murdoc, </p>
<p>Yes, that’s true of the story you linked to. But some states were already looking into this stuff too.  I was talking to folks in PA, CA, and MA almost a year ago.  The automotive people are tinkering with it too.</p>
<p>I’m an electrical engineer with nothing to do with the fuel or transportation industries, but my boss wanted me to look into it for possible long term business potential from the electronics side.</p>
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		<title>By: Murdoc Online &#187; I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s even allowed&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murdoc Online &#187; I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s even allowed&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] AW1 Tim wrote this in the comments: You all are missing the boat. There should be no need to raise taxes at all. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] AW1 Tim wrote this in the comments: You all are missing the boat. There should be no need to raise taxes at all. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Murdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story is a proposal to increase federal gasoline tax, which is 18.4 cents per gallon.

The story also notes that the commission is calling on states to increase their own gas taxes in addition to any federal increase. Plus more toll roads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story is a proposal to increase federal gasoline tax, which is 18.4 cents per gallon.</p>
<p>The story also notes that the commission is calling on states to increase their own gas taxes in addition to any federal increase. Plus more toll roads.</p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 00:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, 

I agree in principle, but like I said, that just ain&#039;t going to happen any time soon.

Hawk,

Hawk, 

Your math is good, but I think you’re off on the taxes a bit.  I was figuring about $.50 per gallon as an average tax.  Don’t forget, a bunch of the highway money comes from (and goes to) the states.   Current average is .48 for gas, .53 for diesel. I got that number here:

http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/


And I was ball parking my own F-150 4X4 and Mustang GT. The truck averages 16.5 Mpg. And I get about 20k miles out of the tires max, no matter what they are rated.  So I’m not sure how to account for that. The Mustang gets about 21 Mpg, but I haven’t replaced the tires yet.   I’m expecting maybe 15k max out of them.  The rears are going fast…..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, </p>
<p>I agree in principle, but like I said, that just ain&#8217;t going to happen any time soon.</p>
<p>Hawk,</p>
<p>Hawk, </p>
<p>Your math is good, but I think you’re off on the taxes a bit.  I was figuring about $.50 per gallon as an average tax.  Don’t forget, a bunch of the highway money comes from (and goes to) the states.   Current average is .48 for gas, .53 for diesel. I got that number here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.api.org/statistics/fueltaxes/</a></p>
<p>And I was ball parking my own F-150 4X4 and Mustang GT. The truck averages 16.5 Mpg. And I get about 20k miles out of the tires max, no matter what they are rated.  So I’m not sure how to account for that. The Mustang gets about 21 Mpg, but I haven’t replaced the tires yet.   I’m expecting maybe 15k max out of them.  The rears are going fast…..</p>
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		<title>By: AW1 Tim</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 23:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You all are missing the boat. There should be no need to raise taxes at all. Simply shift the available funds from one area that is doing fine to the areas that are not, and cut whatever needs cutting to complete the zero-sum balance.

   Start by a 10% across the board cut of ALL state employees. That ought to free up a pretty good chunk of change. Next, prohibit any form of welfare assistance, either housing vouchers, food stamps, medicaid, whatever, from being given to illegals. Anyone applying for state aid of any sorts must show proof of US Citizenship. THAT, too, ought to give you the rest of the money you need.

   Lastly, privatize the school systems. The public schools have proven beyond doubt that they are incapable of accomplishing anything beyond sucking budgets dry. The cities should put the school systems out to bid, with successful bidders paid via a half up front, remainder upon students passing state-approved educational requirements. Pay per student, with pay being withheld for drop outs, failing courses, etc. 

   I think that, with just these three areas, sufficient income can be located to take care of any and all infrastructure needs.

   Respects,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You all are missing the boat. There should be no need to raise taxes at all. Simply shift the available funds from one area that is doing fine to the areas that are not, and cut whatever needs cutting to complete the zero-sum balance.</p>
<p>   Start by a 10% across the board cut of ALL state employees. That ought to free up a pretty good chunk of change. Next, prohibit any form of welfare assistance, either housing vouchers, food stamps, medicaid, whatever, from being given to illegals. Anyone applying for state aid of any sorts must show proof of US Citizenship. THAT, too, ought to give you the rest of the money you need.</p>
<p>   Lastly, privatize the school systems. The public schools have proven beyond doubt that they are incapable of accomplishing anything beyond sucking budgets dry. The cities should put the school systems out to bid, with successful bidders paid via a half up front, remainder upon students passing state-approved educational requirements. Pay per student, with pay being withheld for drop outs, failing courses, etc. </p>
<p>   I think that, with just these three areas, sufficient income can be located to take care of any and all infrastructure needs.</p>
<p>   Respects,</p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that bad, but it is an increase.  If you assume current federal gas taxes ($0.184 per gallon), 25mpg, and a 50000-mile set of tires, the equivalent gas tax cost would be about another $370 on a set of four tires every 50,000 miles.  If that&#039;s offset by the elimination of the federal tax, you really break even (though if that is done, then folks with more efficient vehicles are actually being taxed more, since they&#039;d use less gas and thus pay less per-gallon but would pay the flat per-mileage rate on tires).

Yes, it would encourage people to go longer between replacing tires which would mean some folks would operate on unsafe tires.  Maybe existing state inspections (for those states that do it) would catch them; maybe Darwin would thin the herd out a bit.  The point is, there are more solutions out there that can be directly tied to road usage that aren&#039;t the schemes thus far proposed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that bad, but it is an increase.  If you assume current federal gas taxes ($0.184 per gallon), 25mpg, and a 50000-mile set of tires, the equivalent gas tax cost would be about another $370 on a set of four tires every 50,000 miles.  If that&#8217;s offset by the elimination of the federal tax, you really break even (though if that is done, then folks with more efficient vehicles are actually being taxed more, since they&#8217;d use less gas and thus pay less per-gallon but would pay the flat per-mileage rate on tires).</p>
<p>Yes, it would encourage people to go longer between replacing tires which would mean some folks would operate on unsafe tires.  Maybe existing state inspections (for those states that do it) would catch them; maybe Darwin would thin the herd out a bit.  The point is, there are more solutions out there that can be directly tied to road usage that aren&#8217;t the schemes thus far proposed.</p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 21:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they just tax tires (and they already do, btw) you could get hit with an even a bigger one time bill than an annual mileage charge.  That could end up being something like $2000-$3000 for a set tires after 4-5 years.  I don’t think that would fly.

And that would no doubt discourage people from changing tires.  I don’t think that’s a good thing either, at least safety wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they just tax tires (and they already do, btw) you could get hit with an even a bigger one time bill than an annual mileage charge.  That could end up being something like $2000-$3000 for a set tires after 4-5 years.  I don’t think that would fly.</p>
<p>And that would no doubt discourage people from changing tires.  I don’t think that’s a good thing either, at least safety wise.</p>
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