Comments on: Are there going to be “new” patriots?

By: el gordo

el gordo — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 19:21:51 +0000

Obama is a man of the left. The left is always focused on the domestic side: control of the economy and culture. Obama does not want any foreign policy distractions in his quest to change America. Hence his “centrist” foreign policy appointments.

While there are principled anti-war types (and thankfully few people who actually love war), the vast majority of the left never were pacifists. They used the Iraq war as a stick to beat their political enemies, that is, to advance their domestic agenda.

They will do the same thing in reverse should we enter another conflict. No one will call Obama or anyone in his administration a chickenhawk. The doofuses on the right will reflexively gather behind him (Obama kills terrorists, yay!) while the left will use the opportunity to marginalize them.

Once they are done, America will be mentally, financially and legally unable to go to war. It´s bad for the environment or something.

By: Nicholas

Nicholas — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:41:02 +0000

Is there such a thing as a “fair weather patriot”?

By: Flanker

Flanker — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 15:55:05 +0000

Buncha pessimists! :)

By: Jusuchin (Military Otaku)

Jusuchin (Military Otaku) — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:36:39 +0000

So…we’re just waiting for our next Hitler eh, with Obama as Chamberlain?

Yes…Also…Godwin’s Law.

By: HK_USP_45

HK_USP_45 — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:44:37 +0000

Using recent history as an example, I don’t think TRUE anti-war Americans will suddenly become patriots. The people that were anti-war just because they were anti-”anything that Bush did” will become war supporters as long as Obama gets us into the war. I use the Clinton years as an example. Those that loved Clinton were OK with much that he did, while being “anti-” if Bush did the same thing. However those that were true anti-war still protested the stuff that Clinton got us into. Although during his time, there were more likely to protest Oil companies, the military, etc for the wars and not so much clinton directly. As if Sgt. So-and-so directly got us into the engagements all by himself.

By: Toejam

Toejam — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:00:38 +0000

“The United Nations Security Council has voted for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza after the United States lifted its veto threat in response to growing Arab pressure.”

The appeasement rot has already set in and B. Hussein Obama is still 11-days away from the presidency.

And judging from his cabinet appointments appeasement at any cost will be the hallmark of his tenure.

Remember the Liberal mantra: NO war is better than a “good” war even if it means kowtowing to the Islamic fanatics!

By: Nadnerbus

Nadnerbus — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 06:54:52 +0000

There won’t be any new patriots. People voted for Obama because they wanted to get back to September tenth, when the world still loved us (yeah right), they could all worry about what and who Brittney Spears was doing, or who was wining American Idol and not feel that nagging bit of worry and uncertainty at the back of their mind that it was all an illusion. Obama promised a warm vague blanket of good feelings, and if he takes us deeper into a war, or worse into a new war with the inevitable bad turns, people will turn on him too. Much of this country doesn’t have the spine or stomach for defending their interests with force of arms.

What will be more interesting is to see if his backers turn on him, and folks closer to this camp embrace him for making tough choices militarily. That would be a true mindfrick.

By: "Hannibal"

"Hannibal" — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 01:23:53 +0000

I don’t know what to think about the “new patriot” thing; but one thing I’m predicting is that anything bad happening in the next four years (hopefully not eight) will of course be “all Bush’s fault.”

By: Jusuchin (Military Otaku)

Jusuchin (Military Otaku) — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:37:12 +0000

I’m honestly keeping my eyes open and keeping my distance. As I’ve often seen, kids nowadays tend to gravitate to whatever the newest things are. Me and my 3-column ledger for RPGs and normal kids with their flip flopping loyalties. Just because a hip, young, and black guy became our president (one who I feel would probably be a reason I wouldn’t go past 2nd year AROTC), doesn’t mean what you used to hate before became the ‘in’ thing.

To make my rant a little more understandable. I don’t like people with no sense of loyalty, or what they believe in. The term sheeple applies. Follow what’s hip now and ignore what we did in the past.

By: AW1 Tim

AW1 Tim — Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:18:23 +0000

Bram,

Concur. I am also deeply troubled by potential responses of the new administration to conflicts and other events. People with an interest in such possibilities would do well to review the Carter administration years. Been there, done that, got the tee shirt. I’d rather not relive those times, especially with a son on active duty.