56th Brigade MOUT Training

56th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 28th Infantry Division Members of the Protective Services Detachment, 56th Stryker Brigade, conduct urban operations training at Camp Buehring, Kuwait, prior to moving to Iraq Photo by Master Sgt. Sean Whelan   Date: 01.22.2009

56th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 28th Infantry Division Members of the Protective Services Detachment, 56th Stryker Brigade, conduct urban operations training at Camp Buehring, Kuwait, prior to moving to Iraq Photo by Master Sgt. Sean Whelan Date: 01.22.2009

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  1. Don’t know if their training includes it or not, but if it were me……………I’d be tossing in a flash bang first before I busted up into any Iraqi occupied dwellings! I suppose the higher ups frown on explosive entries. LOL!

    Now that I think about it…………….this is an excellent training opp for our biggest and best pals…………the Iraqi SEcurity Forces.

    This could be dangerous Ahmed………………you go first! .)

  2. I learned MOUT in the old school – toss a frag, after it blows, rush in and hose the corners of the room with a couple of bursts.

  3. One of Stephen Ambrose’s talked about how the GI’s did it in Europe. Patrol the city. If they take fire from a building, bring up a self-propelled 155 howitzer, problem solved – continue patrol.

  4. In principle, I agree with you guys. In reality, doing all those things would earn us more enemies and, in the end, cause a longer war with more casualties. Indiscriminate firepower might spare some of our soldiers lives up front, but the innocent collateral casualties just turn more of the people we are supposed to be winning over against us and into the arms of the people we are trying to defeat. Vietnam bore some of the marks of this progression.

    We need the Iraqis and Afghanis to be on our side. Both wars will never be won without them. Killing them wholesale, even by accident, will make us lose in a hurry.

  5. Nadnerbus – We know that. We just miss the good old days of winning wars by killing all the bad guys while trying to minimize our own casualties.

  6. gotcha. Sorry, wasn’t trying to sound too preachy. I know a lot of you guys here have been there done that. My opinions are purely academic, so don’t take me too seriously.

  7. Nadnerbus — just to be contrarian – The Ghengis Khan school of pacification was very effective. The problem with us American’s? Always over dressing for the wrong occasion.

  8. hmmm… If one were to set the value of human life to zero, liquidating your enemies wholesale can be pretty easy, and having the survivors live in terror of you is an OK deterrent. But you have to continually expend resources to maintain that status quo, and the population you seek to bend to you will is still going to hate you and wish for your failure and demise. They’re only going to work with you as much as they have to to avoid the lash or the sword. Whereas a population that actually wants to live and work with you becomes a net gain rather than a drain, and both can work towards common goals. Part of the success of the Roman Empire was their integration of conquered domains, and treating them with some degree of autonomy and rights.

    Or you could just ask yourself “What is best in life.” And the obvious answer is: “To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.” =)

  9. Battlefield has been moved from the Jungle to the Big cities. Train MOUT precisely and shoot while in the move. Remember its not the first round that comes out from the barrel of your weapon wins, it’s the first accurate round. If you fail to do this you dies and your enemy will live. Keep shooting until the enemy goes down how’s that! Roger

  10. Sloppy technique, # 1 man in the stack has his Weapon down, it should be at the high ready (obviously not pointed at breach man)pointed forward into his sector, Breach man should approach from rear of stack, make the breach either ballistic or mechanical and rotate away from stack (away from fatal funnel/entry point) #1 should be entering entry point at exact moment door is open ( he is TO FAR BACK) then breach man follows #3 man.
    Their technique is severely amateurish and dangerous. And don’t give me the “we all have different techniques” crap, a poor technique is deadly no matter how you coat it.
    For all of you who say “use grenades and spray and pray” you should learn the different levels of urban combat. High intensity, percussion and surgical. You can’t always use hand grenades when you are clearing an AO with Civilians around.
    And before you try to question my service, I was a rifle squad leader with 10th Mountain and 172nd Stryker in Iraq for two tours. I cleared countless houses, huts, buildings, outhouses while going both non ballistic(most of the time)
    and ballistic.

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