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	<title>Comments on: Friday Linkzookery &#8211; 17 Jul 2009</title>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Iron Dome is designed to intercept Katyusha-type rockets from 2 to 45 miles out.&quot;

The article says the minimum range is 5km (2 miles). Only 5km is 3 miles. I&#039;d say 3-45 is more accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Iron Dome is designed to intercept Katyusha-type rockets from 2 to 45 miles out.&#8221;</p>
<p>The article says the minimum range is 5km (2 miles). Only 5km is 3 miles. I&#8217;d say 3-45 is more accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: EFSS.

This is a debacle waiting to happen.  Not only did the Marines foolishly buy a rifled mortar so they can&#039;t share 120mm ammo with the Army (which means they don&#039;t get the low cost benefit of volume discounts), it also means they won&#039;t be able to get and use the GPS-guided mortar round the Army is developing for deployment next year.

With as little money as the Navy gives them, you&#039;d think the Marines would grab what&#039;s already in the inventory and save some development costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: EFSS.</p>
<p>This is a debacle waiting to happen.  Not only did the Marines foolishly buy a rifled mortar so they can&#8217;t share 120mm ammo with the Army (which means they don&#8217;t get the low cost benefit of volume discounts), it also means they won&#8217;t be able to get and use the GPS-guided mortar round the Army is developing for deployment next year.</p>
<p>With as little money as the Navy gives them, you&#8217;d think the Marines would grab what&#8217;s already in the inventory and save some development costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Toejam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toejam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 06:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;So naturally the Navy is going with option B….&quot;

Not so James,  

If Emperor Obama has anything to say about it.

He&#039;ll mandate &lt;b&gt;PLAN C&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Extending an open hand!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;So naturally the Navy is going with option B….&#8221;</p>
<p>Not so James,  </p>
<p>If Emperor Obama has anything to say about it.</p>
<p>He&#8217;ll mandate <b>PLAN C</b></p>
<p><b>Extending an open hand!</b></i></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 21:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lasers for small ship defense?? Oh its the Navy funding it...Now it makes sense. 

Option A: Install a 30mm chain gun with a high intensity floodlight with an independent LADAR or IR scanner, toss in a battle management program for fire control. Cost say 75-100K.  The Systems exist, are proven, simple, reliable and deployable now. 

Option B: Install a sold state 110Kw laser with the same local detection systems and battle management software. Cost in the 10&#039;s of millions, may be deployable around 2916-2020. Will require significant modification to current ships to power the system.

Issues:
Systems do not exist, its not proven how wall a laser can take out a small boat in a marine environment (Given the power levels - most likely not well and no where near as effective as say a couple of 30mm hits)
Requires massive power system to power and charge the system to produce acceptable rates of fire. (Which rules out most of the current ships - but it would make it on the DDX!) Would result in several new billeting requirements for high cost sailors (contractor?) to maintain the system. 

Would have issues in a multi-threat environment due to recharge rates and cooling issues.
While a 30mm system would have ammo detonation issues, high power capacitors has similar issues. More over high power electrical discharges are much more likely to ignite a ships hull the HE 30mm shells and can end up shorting out or fusing the entire ships power grid.
  
So naturally the Navy is going with option B....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lasers for small ship defense?? Oh its the Navy funding it&#8230;Now it makes sense. </p>
<p>Option A: Install a 30mm chain gun with a high intensity floodlight with an independent LADAR or IR scanner, toss in a battle management program for fire control. Cost say 75-100K.  The Systems exist, are proven, simple, reliable and deployable now. </p>
<p>Option B: Install a sold state 110Kw laser with the same local detection systems and battle management software. Cost in the 10&#8217;s of millions, may be deployable around 2916-2020. Will require significant modification to current ships to power the system.</p>
<p>Issues:<br />
Systems do not exist, its not proven how wall a laser can take out a small boat in a marine environment (Given the power levels &#8211; most likely not well and no where near as effective as say a couple of 30mm hits)<br />
Requires massive power system to power and charge the system to produce acceptable rates of fire. (Which rules out most of the current ships &#8211; but it would make it on the DDX!) Would result in several new billeting requirements for high cost sailors (contractor?) to maintain the system. </p>
<p>Would have issues in a multi-threat environment due to recharge rates and cooling issues.<br />
While a 30mm system would have ammo detonation issues, high power capacitors has similar issues. More over high power electrical discharges are much more likely to ignite a ships hull the HE 30mm shells and can end up shorting out or fusing the entire ships power grid.</p>
<p>So naturally the Navy is going with option B&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: James R. Rummel</title>
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		<dc:creator>James R. Rummel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 05:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good list, as always, and thank you kindly for the link!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good list, as always, and thank you kindly for the link!</p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 03:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;m going out on a limb here, to add my own link.

 I know times are tough, but if anyone can spare $5 or so, I know this 88 year old vet would appreciate the contribution.  And I’m pretty sure he’ll spend it right.


http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/07/17/news/religion/doc4a5f72f6f1eb3928873258.txt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m going out on a limb here, to add my own link.</p>
<p> I know times are tough, but if anyone can spare $5 or so, I know this 88 year old vet would appreciate the contribution.  And I’m pretty sure he’ll spend it right.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/07/17/news/religion/doc4a5f72f6f1eb3928873258.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/07/17/news/religion/doc4a5f72f6f1eb3928873258.txt</a></p>
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