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		<title>By: SgtF</title>
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		<dc:creator>SgtF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 01:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nuts. I was looking forward to more assignments in Eastern Europe opening up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nuts. I was looking forward to more assignments in Eastern Europe opening up.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 23:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Putting 10 GBI&#039;s in Poland and that Radar in the Czech Republic was a bad idea from the start and a huge waste of money. I&#039;m glad we aren&#039;t going ahead with it but it does bother me that in looks like we&#039;re caving into the Russians and that announcing that we weren&#039;t going ahead with it was handled so badly. Also someone correct me if I&#039;m wrong but aren&#039;t the Poles still getting the patriot missile batteries?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Putting 10 GBI&#8217;s in Poland and that Radar in the Czech Republic was a bad idea from the start and a huge waste of money. I&#8217;m glad we aren&#8217;t going ahead with it but it does bother me that in looks like we&#8217;re caving into the Russians and that announcing that we weren&#8217;t going ahead with it was handled so badly. Also someone correct me if I&#8217;m wrong but aren&#8217;t the Poles still getting the patriot missile batteries?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/8571.html/comment-page-1#comment-343554</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 16:01:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For as little as it is worth, an Analyst Analyzes:
http://tinyurl.com/mhjqsv

&quot;Zakaria: Russia does have a renewed influence in Eastern Europe, and that is definitely a source of concern for both the Poles and the Czechs. And not helping issues is the fact that Moscow had made missile defense into a test of cooperation with Washington. But to continue with a bad policy simply because the Russians don&#039;t like it is not the basis for a sensible strategy for the United States.&quot;</description>
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<a href="http://tinyurl.com/mhjqsv" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/mhjqsv</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Zakaria: Russia does have a renewed influence in Eastern Europe, and that is definitely a source of concern for both the Poles and the Czechs. And not helping issues is the fact that Moscow had made missile defense into a test of cooperation with Washington. But to continue with a bad policy simply because the Russians don&#8217;t like it is not the basis for a sensible strategy for the United States.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Nadnerbus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadnerbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 06:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that is all true, and it very well may be. But by this stage in the game, its besides the point. 

Poland and the Czech Republic took a fair deal of political risk in making the public stand that they would play host to this missile system despite Russia&#039;s vehement opposition, not to mention bluster and veiled threats. They staked their bet on a strong American alliance to help deter any future aggression by a resurgent authoritarian Russia, not just in being part of the missile shield, but also being a good ally to Bush in the War On terror, or Overseas Contingency Operations. Now, this move by the current administration obviously doesn&#039;t mean we are no longer allies, or that we will not help in the case of war, but last year&#039;s invasion of Georgia has already told former eastern block countries all they need to know about the West&#039;s desire to get involved. 

The Polish President&#039;s refusal to accept a call from the Secretary of State on this matter is telling, if you ask me. They are pissed off at the snub, and I don&#039;t blame them a bit. Who are we trying to impress here? The people who help us or the people who hinder us?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that is all true, and it very well may be. But by this stage in the game, its besides the point. </p>
<p>Poland and the Czech Republic took a fair deal of political risk in making the public stand that they would play host to this missile system despite Russia&#8217;s vehement opposition, not to mention bluster and veiled threats. They staked their bet on a strong American alliance to help deter any future aggression by a resurgent authoritarian Russia, not just in being part of the missile shield, but also being a good ally to Bush in the War On terror, or Overseas Contingency Operations. Now, this move by the current administration obviously doesn&#8217;t mean we are no longer allies, or that we will not help in the case of war, but last year&#8217;s invasion of Georgia has already told former eastern block countries all they need to know about the West&#8217;s desire to get involved. </p>
<p>The Polish President&#8217;s refusal to accept a call from the Secretary of State on this matter is telling, if you ask me. They are pissed off at the snub, and I don&#8217;t blame them a bit. Who are we trying to impress here? The people who help us or the people who hinder us?</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An alternative view:
http://tinyurl.com/ly6595
&quot;President Barack Obama yesterday announced that he would scrap George W. Bush’s plan to park missile-defense interceptors in Poland and place an X-band radar in the Czech Republic. Speaking yesterday to reporters, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates offered the new rationale.

“Over the last few years, we have made great strides with missile defense, particularly in our ability to counter short-and-medium-range missiles,” he said. “We now have proven capabilities to intercept these ballistic missiles with land-and-sea-based interceptors supported by much-improved sensors. These capabilities offer a variety of options to detect, track and shoot down enemy missiles. This allows us to deploy a distributive sensor network rather than a single fixed site, like the kind slated for the Czech Republic, enabling greater survivability and adaptability.”&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An alternative view:<br />
<a href="http://tinyurl.com/ly6595" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/ly6595</a><br />
&#8220;President Barack Obama yesterday announced that he would scrap George W. Bush’s plan to park missile-defense interceptors in Poland and place an X-band radar in the Czech Republic. Speaking yesterday to reporters, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates offered the new rationale.</p>
<p>“Over the last few years, we have made great strides with missile defense, particularly in our ability to counter short-and-medium-range missiles,” he said. “We now have proven capabilities to intercept these ballistic missiles with land-and-sea-based interceptors supported by much-improved sensors. These capabilities offer a variety of options to detect, track and shoot down enemy missiles. This allows us to deploy a distributive sensor network rather than a single fixed site, like the kind slated for the Czech Republic, enabling greater survivability and adaptability.”&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Nadnerbus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nadnerbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Europe starting to pick up the tab for its own defense, it would be nice if they did, and it would be even nicer to have an ally capable  of projecting its own power in a meaningful way (Brittan excluded, for the time being, from that gibe). It will take far more than reneging on an anti missile site to start that fire burning, though. NATO is the very security blanket that allows Europe to indulge itself the way it does. They&#039;ve been on a holiday from history, more or less, for sixty years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Europe starting to pick up the tab for its own defense, it would be nice if they did, and it would be even nicer to have an ally capable  of projecting its own power in a meaningful way (Brittan excluded, for the time being, from that gibe). It will take far more than reneging on an anti missile site to start that fire burning, though. NATO is the very security blanket that allows Europe to indulge itself the way it does. They&#8217;ve been on a holiday from history, more or less, for sixty years.</p>
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		<title>By: Nadnerbus</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/8571.html/comment-page-1#comment-343544</link>
		<dc:creator>Nadnerbus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 23:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lesson for potential future allies of the US? You and your security is less important to us than avoiding tension with tin pot dictators. So don&#039;t bother being a good-faith ally, it won&#039;t bear fruit for you. Note to tin pot dictators: Keep it up, it&#039;ll pay off sooner or later!

I really hope there is more to this and that I am proved wrong, but the track record of leadership from the left in this country strongly points to the contrary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lesson for potential future allies of the US? You and your security is less important to us than avoiding tension with tin pot dictators. So don&#8217;t bother being a good-faith ally, it won&#8217;t bear fruit for you. Note to tin pot dictators: Keep it up, it&#8217;ll pay off sooner or later!</p>
<p>I really hope there is more to this and that I am proved wrong, but the track record of leadership from the left in this country strongly points to the contrary.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s really disgusting is that Obambi gave all this to the Russians for free.

No negotiations, nothing. Of course the Russians aren&#039;t going to give him more than a pat on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s really disgusting is that Obambi gave all this to the Russians for free.</p>
<p>No negotiations, nothing. Of course the Russians aren&#8217;t going to give him more than a pat on the head.</p>
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		<title>By: Formerly known as Skeptic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Formerly known as Skeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of whether the EU should provide for its own missile defense, this GBI site was intended to also protect the Northeast US from future Iranian ICBMs.  And no quantity of theater defenses are going to replace that lost capability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of whether the EU should provide for its own missile defense, this GBI site was intended to also protect the Northeast US from future Iranian ICBMs.  And no quantity of theater defenses are going to replace that lost capability.</p>
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		<title>By: Flanker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flanker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 12:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was there any doubt in anyone&#039;s (anyone who posts here regularly) mind that we&#039;d bail on E Europe MD, bail in Iraq (no matter what), and continue talking to the NKs and Iranians long after the point of prudence, and make major defense cuts in lieu of increasd emphasis on &quot;social programs/justice&quot;............once the furthest left of all our Senators was elected President?   

The tanked economy is just a double whammy as far as defense cuts go.  True enough; money is short, but it also serves an an excellent reason/pretest for cutting away as you intended anyway.  Not that some of those bloated cost over run monstrosities didn&#039;t need to be made in to object lessons to the remaining defense programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was there any doubt in anyone&#8217;s (anyone who posts here regularly) mind that we&#8217;d bail on E Europe MD, bail in Iraq (no matter what), and continue talking to the NKs and Iranians long after the point of prudence, and make major defense cuts in lieu of increasd emphasis on &#8220;social programs/justice&#8221;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;once the furthest left of all our Senators was elected President?   </p>
<p>The tanked economy is just a double whammy as far as defense cuts go.  True enough; money is short, but it also serves an an excellent reason/pretest for cutting away as you intended anyway.  Not that some of those bloated cost over run monstrosities didn&#8217;t need to be made in to object lessons to the remaining defense programs.</p>
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