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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/8899.html/comment-page-1#comment-344032</link>
		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 16:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, that madogre rant is great!

I just bought an AK a couple weeks ago as my SHTF gun, and a lot of the things he talks about went into my decision.  But all my AR owning buddies think I’m some kind of closet commie now.  

I’ll be sending them a link to that article!

I shot competitive rifle for years (made it to sharpshooter Bar 3 before my nerves quit on me), so I can appreciate what the AR’s can do.  And I get the logistical advantages of .223.  So I think the M-16 still has a lot going for it in military rifle squad type applications (The shorter barreled versions don’t make as much sense IMO).

But for a gun that has gotta F’en work, I thought the AK made more sense.  Plus with the gun and ammo costing ½ (or 1/3 if you want to go really cheap), it’s an even easier decision.  

You’ve just got to live with the disgusted looks you’ll get at the range….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, that madogre rant is great!</p>
<p>I just bought an AK a couple weeks ago as my SHTF gun, and a lot of the things he talks about went into my decision.  But all my AR owning buddies think I’m some kind of closet commie now.  </p>
<p>I’ll be sending them a link to that article!</p>
<p>I shot competitive rifle for years (made it to sharpshooter Bar 3 before my nerves quit on me), so I can appreciate what the AR’s can do.  And I get the logistical advantages of .223.  So I think the M-16 still has a lot going for it in military rifle squad type applications (The shorter barreled versions don’t make as much sense IMO).</p>
<p>But for a gun that has gotta F’en work, I thought the AK made more sense.  Plus with the gun and ammo costing ½ (or 1/3 if you want to go really cheap), it’s an even easier decision.  </p>
<p>You’ve just got to live with the disgusted looks you’ll get at the range….</p>
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		<title>By: Murdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Responses in NYT: Yeah, that&#039;s quite a mess. I didn&#039;t get too far into them before giving up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Responses in NYT: Yeah, that&#8217;s quite a mess. I didn&#8217;t get too far into them before giving up.</p>
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		<title>By: Flanker</title>
		<link>http://www.murdoconline.net/archives/8899.html/comment-page-1#comment-344026</link>
		<dc:creator>Flanker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks guys!  I&#039;m getting back into the job boards to see what&#039;s available overseas (probably gonna be one of the Stans, as thats where the jobs are mostly headed).  Now I&#039;m all depressed, since you&#039;;ve reminded me I&#039;ll be risking my life, facing hoards of religiously zelous goats armed with effedtive Russian designed hardware, and I&#039;ll be STUCK with some inadequate, poorly performing squirrel shooter.  Hope it&#039;s at least one with a bayonet lug, damn it!  

The last time it was a Bushmaster M4 flat top with a 3 round burst [Nice! :(]  four mags and 120 rounds of M193.  Of course, I had to wittily observe to in country management, Wow!  Four whole mags!  Guess that&#039;s what the recruiter meant by &quot;State of the Art Equipment and Weapons!  They told me we were PSD, and weren&#039;t there to fight, so that&#039;s all we&#039;d need.  Them being psychic and able to &quot;see&quot; the exact circumstances of our disabled vehicle and the length of the ensuing fire fight. Fortunately, I was able to scrounge mags and ammo from the MilSpecs I was colocated with.......of course that was all M855 green and orange tip, not M193.  Kept the various types in their own mags, and used the tracer as the last four rounds in all of &#039;em.  Ended up with 17 mags and ammo (9 on my vest and rifle, and the rest in my bug out bag).  Never had to fire a shot (except on the range)!  Whew!  

Hey Murdoc!  Got any 6.8mm rifles and mags at your shop for sale?  .)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks guys!  I&#8217;m getting back into the job boards to see what&#8217;s available overseas (probably gonna be one of the Stans, as thats where the jobs are mostly headed).  Now I&#8217;m all depressed, since you&#8217;;ve reminded me I&#8217;ll be risking my life, facing hoards of religiously zelous goats armed with effedtive Russian designed hardware, and I&#8217;ll be STUCK with some inadequate, poorly performing squirrel shooter.  Hope it&#8217;s at least one with a bayonet lug, damn it!  </p>
<p>The last time it was a Bushmaster M4 flat top with a 3 round burst [Nice! :(]  four mags and 120 rounds of M193.  Of course, I had to wittily observe to in country management, Wow!  Four whole mags!  Guess that&#8217;s what the recruiter meant by &#8220;State of the Art Equipment and Weapons!  They told me we were PSD, and weren&#8217;t there to fight, so that&#8217;s all we&#8217;d need.  Them being psychic and able to &#8220;see&#8221; the exact circumstances of our disabled vehicle and the length of the ensuing fire fight. Fortunately, I was able to scrounge mags and ammo from the MilSpecs I was colocated with&#8230;&#8230;.of course that was all M855 green and orange tip, not M193.  Kept the various types in their own mags, and used the tracer as the last four rounds in all of &#8216;em.  Ended up with 17 mags and ammo (9 on my vest and rifle, and the rest in my bug out bag).  Never had to fire a shot (except on the range)!  Whew!  </p>
<p>Hey Murdoc!  Got any 6.8mm rifles and mags at your shop for sale?  .)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel E. Watters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel E. Watters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the responses in the NYT comments section make me want to tear my hair out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the responses in the NYT comments section make me want to tear my hair out.</p>
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		<title>By: Blacktail</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blacktail</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mad Ogre has some interesting insights into the problem;
http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/Hate_the_AR15.htm


Dick Culver had the pleasure of using M16s in combat;
http://www.jouster.com/saga_of_M16/saga_of_the_m16_part_1.pdf

http://www.jouster.com/saga_of_M16/saga_of_the_m16_part_2.pdf


There&#039;s a better rifle available that M16s themselves could be converted into, but Colt blackballed it. See for yourself;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsgstaO18jY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwkHktkTxU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mad Ogre has some interesting insights into the problem;<br />
<a href="http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/Hate_the_AR15.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.madogre.com/Interviews/Hate_the_AR15.htm</a></p>
<p>Dick Culver had the pleasure of using M16s in combat;<br />
<a href="http://www.jouster.com/saga_of_M16/saga_of_the_m16_part_1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.jouster.com/saga_of_M16/saga_of_the_m16_part_1.pdf</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.jouster.com/saga_of_M16/saga_of_the_m16_part_2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.jouster.com/saga_of_M16/saga_of_the_m16_part_2.pdf</a></p>
<p>There&#8217;s a better rifle available that M16s themselves could be converted into, but Colt blackballed it. See for yourself;<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsgstaO18jY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsgstaO18jY</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwkHktkTxU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGwkHktkTxU</a></p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you said earlier, Murdoc, don&#039;t get cocky kid.

But still, as CSNY said in the 60&#039;s, there&#039;s something happening here....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you said earlier, Murdoc, don&#8217;t get cocky kid.</p>
<p>But still, as CSNY said in the 60&#8242;s, there&#8217;s something happening here&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Murdoc</title>
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		<dc:creator>Murdoc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;jaymaster&lt;/b&gt;: You ain&#039;t kidding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>jaymaster</b>: You ain&#8217;t kidding.</p>
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		<title>By: jaymaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaymaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa. Whoa. Whoooooooooooa!

Let’s take a step back and look at the bigger picture.

Here we have a pretty hard core, kinda fair, and almost balanced report, on a FIREARM, in the freaking NEW YORK TIMES!!!!

Yeah, it’s only a blog. But still, this has to be a good sign, right???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa. Whoa. Whoooooooooooa!</p>
<p>Let’s take a step back and look at the bigger picture.</p>
<p>Here we have a pretty hard core, kinda fair, and almost balanced report, on a FIREARM, in the freaking NEW YORK TIMES!!!!</p>
<p>Yeah, it’s only a blog. But still, this has to be a good sign, right???</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel E. Watters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel E. Watters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GeekLethal:  The rifle itself may well be older than SPC Hurlock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GeekLethal:  The rifle itself may well be older than SPC Hurlock.</p>
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		<title>By: GeekLethal</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeekLethal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh, I wonder if that 20-rd mag is older than SPC Hurlock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, I wonder if that 20-rd mag is older than SPC Hurlock.</p>
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