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		<title>By: Shawn MacNeil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn MacNeil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry-
350 over a 36 hour period.....WOW....Try over 3,000 every day for over 15 months...I dealt with more than 350 detainees every day for 15 months. I really would not be bragging about that pityfull statistic of 350 in 36 hours. By todays standards that is nothing. And you had them pinned face down when they lunged at you...sounds like you came dangerously close to giving a detainee a bloody lip which would make you a criminal by your standards. You better watch out they might have to come charge you with abuse you detainee abuser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry-<br />
350 over a 36 hour period&#8230;..WOW&#8230;.Try over 3,000 every day for over 15 months&#8230;I dealt with more than 350 detainees every day for 15 months. I really would not be bragging about that pityfull statistic of 350 in 36 hours. By todays standards that is nothing. And you had them pinned face down when they lunged at you&#8230;sounds like you came dangerously close to giving a detainee a bloody lip which would make you a criminal by your standards. You better watch out they might have to come charge you with abuse you detainee abuser.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn MacNeil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn MacNeil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Dec 2009 08:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry-
I will just let you live in your Desert Storm 2 week long fantasy war and perhaps one day you will figure out that your 2 month long vacation in the sandbox is a bit different than the 15 month long multiple tour war we are fighting now. I wish you could have used your extensive language skills in Iraq&#039;s capitol of Baghdad but as I remember you all turned back so we had to go finish the job years later. In a war the average soldier does not need to speak the local language to achieve victory. I am glad I don&#039;t speak the language because it would be just one more reminder of that shithole of a country on a daily basis. By the way there is there is a high demand for people with your language skills and the pay is great! So why don&#039;t you push your fat middle aged gut away from your computer and go contribute to the current war effort instead of living many years in the past. If your not willing to do this than you have nothing to offer other than what you think things should be like in a war you know nothing about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry-<br />
I will just let you live in your Desert Storm 2 week long fantasy war and perhaps one day you will figure out that your 2 month long vacation in the sandbox is a bit different than the 15 month long multiple tour war we are fighting now. I wish you could have used your extensive language skills in Iraq&#8217;s capitol of Baghdad but as I remember you all turned back so we had to go finish the job years later. In a war the average soldier does not need to speak the local language to achieve victory. I am glad I don&#8217;t speak the language because it would be just one more reminder of that shithole of a country on a daily basis. By the way there is there is a high demand for people with your language skills and the pay is great! So why don&#8217;t you push your fat middle aged gut away from your computer and go contribute to the current war effort instead of living many years in the past. If your not willing to do this than you have nothing to offer other than what you think things should be like in a war you know nothing about.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 23:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn-

I screened over 350 prisoners in a 36 hour period back in &#039;91. Two of them lunged across the table at me before the MPs could &quot;control&quot; them. 

I had them face down and pinned before my guards even reacted. Don&#039;t start with your shit talking about what I know and don&#039;t know. 

As for escorting prisoners, I led them to and from our holding area all the time, and walked among them also. As for my language background, I&#039;m certainly not trying to come off as more &quot;intelligent&quot;, as you claim. I do know that the majority of troops in the field are ignorant of the language and customs of the area to which they are deployed, and the people they are dealing with.

It causes more problems than it&#039;s worth, and any claim you make to the contrary is total BS. The biggest problem with detainees after they&#039;re captured is the tendency to handle them as if you are still fighting them in the field, a war by other means, if you will. I&#039;m all for necessary precautions when dealing with them, but most times, the war goes on within the detention centers. It causes problems, and if there is any intel to be gleaned from any of them, the opportunity to extract that info becomes tougher when the people who &quot;handle&quot; them start fucking with them.

I had to set a couple of the younger MPs straight with this back when I was in, and supposedly they were the ones who were trained to handle prisoners. They could have fooled me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn-</p>
<p>I screened over 350 prisoners in a 36 hour period back in &#8217;91. Two of them lunged across the table at me before the MPs could &#8220;control&#8221; them. </p>
<p>I had them face down and pinned before my guards even reacted. Don&#8217;t start with your shit talking about what I know and don&#8217;t know. </p>
<p>As for escorting prisoners, I led them to and from our holding area all the time, and walked among them also. As for my language background, I&#8217;m certainly not trying to come off as more &#8220;intelligent&#8221;, as you claim. I do know that the majority of troops in the field are ignorant of the language and customs of the area to which they are deployed, and the people they are dealing with.</p>
<p>It causes more problems than it&#8217;s worth, and any claim you make to the contrary is total BS. The biggest problem with detainees after they&#8217;re captured is the tendency to handle them as if you are still fighting them in the field, a war by other means, if you will. I&#8217;m all for necessary precautions when dealing with them, but most times, the war goes on within the detention centers. It causes problems, and if there is any intel to be gleaned from any of them, the opportunity to extract that info becomes tougher when the people who &#8220;handle&#8221; them start fucking with them.</p>
<p>I had to set a couple of the younger MPs straight with this back when I was in, and supposedly they were the ones who were trained to handle prisoners. They could have fooled me.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn MacNeil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn MacNeil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry...
I did not claim nor do I claim to know anything about how to carry out actual interrogations. And what does me not speaking their language have to do with anything. I knew all the language I needed..shut up,look away, squat down, hands on your head etc.
I suspect you threw this comment in to show that you are intelligent. Ok we get it, your book smart. But I was responsible for looking over detainees after the interrogations to check for indicators  of abuse and was often called to check on detainees that got rude with interrogators and had to be put in restraint chairs. I do stand behind everything I said and you know if you realy were an interrogator that you never had to escort, restrain or even speak to a detainee that was acting out of line. I had to treat guards that were bit,scratched,punched,kicked,and even stabbed. I have been attacked by detainees as well. Like I said before you did not deal with this and if you say any different you are not being honest. Have you ever had to restrain a detainee....You and me both know the answer is no. Try to restrain someone without causing injury  that is trying to kill you and you will get a big surprise. I manned up and stated that I knew nothing about the interrogation process...Are you man enough to confess that you know very little about controlling violent detainees...I suspect not. Bottom line is bloody lips happen during violent altercations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry&#8230;<br />
I did not claim nor do I claim to know anything about how to carry out actual interrogations. And what does me not speaking their language have to do with anything. I knew all the language I needed..shut up,look away, squat down, hands on your head etc.<br />
I suspect you threw this comment in to show that you are intelligent. Ok we get it, your book smart. But I was responsible for looking over detainees after the interrogations to check for indicators  of abuse and was often called to check on detainees that got rude with interrogators and had to be put in restraint chairs. I do stand behind everything I said and you know if you realy were an interrogator that you never had to escort, restrain or even speak to a detainee that was acting out of line. I had to treat guards that were bit,scratched,punched,kicked,and even stabbed. I have been attacked by detainees as well. Like I said before you did not deal with this and if you say any different you are not being honest. Have you ever had to restrain a detainee&#8230;.You and me both know the answer is no. Try to restrain someone without causing injury  that is trying to kill you and you will get a big surprise. I manned up and stated that I knew nothing about the interrogation process&#8230;Are you man enough to confess that you know very little about controlling violent detainees&#8230;I suspect not. Bottom line is bloody lips happen during violent altercations.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil-

It&#039;s pretty clear that you&#039;re on some sort of medication, and that you&#039;re currently off it.

OK, you&#039;re a badass. We get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil-</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty clear that you&#8217;re on some sort of medication, and that you&#8217;re currently off it.</p>
<p>OK, you&#8217;re a badass. We get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shawn-

Don&#039;t lecture me on the ins and outs of interrogation. Were you an interrogator? Are you responsible for handling prisoners, or carryin out their interrogations? Can you do it in their language, and are you well versed in their ways?

If not, then you&#039;re just blowing smoke.

Beyond that, exactly what sort of treatment do you believe prisoners should be subjected to? I&#039;m not talking about &quot;coercive interrogation techniques&quot;, I&#039;m just talking about day to day treatment once in custody? 

As far as comparing today&#039;s prisoners to the ones I dealt with in Iraq back in 1991, a better comparison would be the fanatical jihadist prisoner circa 2009 with the fanatical Japanese prisoner circa 1943-44.

Read up a little bit on two of the most experienced and successful interrogators in WWII, one a German in the European theater, and the other an American Marine officer in the Pacific theater.

Truly professional, and successful, interrogators recognize their methods and techniques right away, and study them like piano students study Mozart. There may be more than one way to skin a cat, but usually there is one way that works the best.

Here&#039;s a couple of links, pay special attention to the ones concerning Sherwood Moran, the Marine Major who headed up the interrogation efforts of some very fanatical Japanese prisoners who fell into our hands. Fanaticism is fanaticism, whether it be religious or political or social. What works on one fanatic works on them all.

The fact is, when somebody fucks with a prisoner, it instantly makes the interrogators job that much harder, especially if the interrogator isn&#039;t aware about what occured.

Here are some links about Moran:

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200506/budiansky

http://home.comcast.net/~drmoran/home.htm

http://desertbeacon.blogspot.com/2006/09/sherwood-moran-and-presidents-very.html

Here are some links to Hans Joicham Scharff, the famed Luftwaffe interrogator. Scharff and Moran used the same basic precepts, and it all came down to how the prisoner was treated. 

Scharff&#039;s is a fascinating story, and he eventually emigrated to the US after the war. With the endorsement of the American fliers he interrogated, no less.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Scharff

http://www.amazon.com/Interrogator-Joachim-Luftwaffe-Schiffer-Military/dp/0764302612</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shawn-</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t lecture me on the ins and outs of interrogation. Were you an interrogator? Are you responsible for handling prisoners, or carryin out their interrogations? Can you do it in their language, and are you well versed in their ways?</p>
<p>If not, then you&#8217;re just blowing smoke.</p>
<p>Beyond that, exactly what sort of treatment do you believe prisoners should be subjected to? I&#8217;m not talking about &#8220;coercive interrogation techniques&#8221;, I&#8217;m just talking about day to day treatment once in custody? </p>
<p>As far as comparing today&#8217;s prisoners to the ones I dealt with in Iraq back in 1991, a better comparison would be the fanatical jihadist prisoner circa 2009 with the fanatical Japanese prisoner circa 1943-44.</p>
<p>Read up a little bit on two of the most experienced and successful interrogators in WWII, one a German in the European theater, and the other an American Marine officer in the Pacific theater.</p>
<p>Truly professional, and successful, interrogators recognize their methods and techniques right away, and study them like piano students study Mozart. There may be more than one way to skin a cat, but usually there is one way that works the best.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a couple of links, pay special attention to the ones concerning Sherwood Moran, the Marine Major who headed up the interrogation efforts of some very fanatical Japanese prisoners who fell into our hands. Fanaticism is fanaticism, whether it be religious or political or social. What works on one fanatic works on them all.</p>
<p>The fact is, when somebody fucks with a prisoner, it instantly makes the interrogators job that much harder, especially if the interrogator isn&#8217;t aware about what occured.</p>
<p>Here are some links about Moran:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200506/budiansky" rel="nofollow">http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200506/budiansky</a></p>
<p><a href="http://home.comcast.net/~drmoran/home.htm" rel="nofollow">http://home.comcast.net/~drmoran/home.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://desertbeacon.blogspot.com/2006/09/sherwood-moran-and-presidents-very.html" rel="nofollow">http://desertbeacon.blogspot.com/2006/09/sherwood-moran-and-presidents-very.html</a></p>
<p>Here are some links to Hans Joicham Scharff, the famed Luftwaffe interrogator. Scharff and Moran used the same basic precepts, and it all came down to how the prisoner was treated. </p>
<p>Scharff&#8217;s is a fascinating story, and he eventually emigrated to the US after the war. With the endorsement of the American fliers he interrogated, no less.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Scharff" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanns_Scharff</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Interrogator-Joachim-Luftwaffe-Schiffer-Military/dp/0764302612" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Interrogator-Joachim-Luftwaffe-Schiffer-Military/dp/0764302612</a></p>
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		<title>By: Neil C. Reinhardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil C. Reinhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:04:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RIGHT ON, SHAWN RIGHT ON!</description>
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		<title>By: Shawn MacNeil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn MacNeil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry-
One more thing you need to remember is that while you were an Interrogator during Desert Storm you were dealing with Iraqi Army that were for the most part were jumping out of their holes with their hands up and giving up. Completly compliant and &quot;non combative&quot; as you called them. Today we are not fighting soldiers of a nation that we are at war with. They are jihad soldiers coming from all over the world with the sole intent of killing Americans and anyone else that does not agree with their twisted doctrine. Desert Storm was a different war, a long time ago and you had the luxury of fighting an Army that for the most part played by the rules. We don&#039;t have that luxury today so don&#039;t judge us!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry-<br />
One more thing you need to remember is that while you were an Interrogator during Desert Storm you were dealing with Iraqi Army that were for the most part were jumping out of their holes with their hands up and giving up. Completly compliant and &#8220;non combative&#8221; as you called them. Today we are not fighting soldiers of a nation that we are at war with. They are jihad soldiers coming from all over the world with the sole intent of killing Americans and anyone else that does not agree with their twisted doctrine. Desert Storm was a different war, a long time ago and you had the luxury of fighting an Army that for the most part played by the rules. We don&#8217;t have that luxury today so don&#8217;t judge us!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil C. Reinhardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil C. Reinhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which reminds me, about three weeks ago, at nearly 75 years of age, I confronted a young big black guy who was chasing hie ex-girl friend with the intent of beating the hell out of her.  (He had alrady knocked down another man who tried to stop him.)

Yes, I used pepper sray to stop him., Only I still stood between the girl and him and I warned him to stop at least twice.  As he did not, I sprayed him.

So tell me CHILD, all about how I fall apart.  Just more proof you are clueless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which reminds me, about three weeks ago, at nearly 75 years of age, I confronted a young big black guy who was chasing hie ex-girl friend with the intent of beating the hell out of her.  (He had alrady knocked down another man who tried to stop him.)</p>
<p>Yes, I used pepper sray to stop him., Only I still stood between the girl and him and I warned him to stop at least twice.  As he did not, I sprayed him.</p>
<p>So tell me CHILD, all about how I fall apart.  Just more proof you are clueless!</p>
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		<title>By: Neil C. Reinhardt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil C. Reinhardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 08:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I have anger management problems. 

That said, I have been in MANY &quot;tight&quot; situations as a bouncer, paratrooper, deep sea diver and a person who gets involved breaking up fights as well as fighting criminals. And as a lifeguard, I saved more than a few lives. 

I have come close do dying MANY times both quickly and (twice) slowly in a hospital. NOT ONCE, have I &quot;fallen apart&quot; at all. Rather I have handled the problem.

I never claimed to have any facts I do not have. THE FACTS ARE a TERRORIST leader who would KILL YOU, and ALL YOUR LOVED ONES, got a Bloody lip.   B.F.D.!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I have anger management problems. </p>
<p>That said, I have been in MANY &#8220;tight&#8221; situations as a bouncer, paratrooper, deep sea diver and a person who gets involved breaking up fights as well as fighting criminals. And as a lifeguard, I saved more than a few lives. </p>
<p>I have come close do dying MANY times both quickly and (twice) slowly in a hospital. NOT ONCE, have I &#8220;fallen apart&#8221; at all. Rather I have handled the problem.</p>
<p>I never claimed to have any facts I do not have. THE FACTS ARE a TERRORIST leader who would KILL YOU, and ALL YOUR LOVED ONES, got a Bloody lip.   B.F.D.!</p>
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